- cross-posted to:
- privacy@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- privacy@lemmy.world
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I didn’t expected this kind of thing to show up today.
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I don’t want to use a vibecode slop that isnt tested by real humans.
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I just want a secure and privacy respecting email not ai slop.
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Good Bye Proton I am Not Happy With You
Any Suggestion ?
- I want drive and calender support
- Made by humans not slop machine.
- FOSS
- May Be a Linux Client Support
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Why has productivity not increased dramatically if everyone is using LLMs all the time already?
I have NOT heard of a company whose productivity increased dramatically though (but the quality goes down, I wonder why).
There are startups that are getting PoCs faster, but thats about it.
they gave some hints when their ceo started praising fascists.
Yeah. I know thats when I canceled business with them.
In case anyone needed proof that even CERN PhDs can be total dumbasses (or more likely, evil liars)
Well, that’s it, I’m never touching Proton again.
As for suggestions: I haven’t used Tuta, but I’ve only heard good things about them. Personally I use mailbox. They have drive and calendar, they’re German, and they do/support a lot of cool stuff regarding FOSS. I’m not sure about slop, but from a quick glance I couldn’t find a single mention about AI on their website, not even in their job listings. I don’t think they have official clients, but they support open standards like SMTP/IMAP, WebDAV etc.
I haven’t used their drive and calendar though, only email, since I self-host Nextcloud (if you’re into self-hosting, I highly recommend it).
Also, side note: Regardless of where you switch to, get your own domain! I cannot stress this enough. If you ever need to switch providers (which you’ll eventually need to), you’re gonna have a much easier time if your email is
me@mydomain.tld, just pointing DNS at your new provider, bulk transfer/export all previous emails, and voila.100%. I’ve had the same email going on 20 years. It’s been hosted in a dozen different places. It was on proton for a while, it’s on mailbox.org now. I can move again in an hour.
Tuta honestly is the way to go unless there are other options available. Plus if your into cloud services they just partnered up with Nextcloud so they are growing as a platform. Their calander on mobile and PC sucks though, not really the best.
Move drive and calendar to Nextcloud, (selfhosted service) there’s no reason for anyone to have access to those but you and who you want.
Mail is rough, Tuta is good for people, but features/price is ehh, i don’t have a better option than them though.
I gotta say I’m getting real tired of having to change my email on every service over and over and over.
Custom domains
This is what I need to do, yeah. That way the underlying provider is all that changes. Good call!
This is why I self-host, with my own domain 😁
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it’s just the last drop in the bucket but, tbh, this shouldn’t come as a surprise from Andy seeing his past behaviour. Although I must admit that reading that manifesto from the CTO did make me puke so hard. As a developer myself (and yes, one that does use a mix of hand-written code and LLMs to some degree), seeing a CTO writing a manifesto like that one would basically mean to me: right, fuck these guys, time for a new job.
I’m glad that I’ve been this whole year transitioning all my important accounts to use a custom domain as their main email and seeing all this clusterfuck was the reminder I needed to cancel my Proton account.
My new provider is ForwardEmail, I was unsure between them or Mailbox.org but then went with the former as, since I self-host a lot of my services, I don’t need all the extra bloat. Tuta may be an option for some but for me was out of the options, I want to use Email client without the need of having to install an intermediary local proxy.
Regardless of what you choose to use now, highly recommend you get a custom domain. After that switching provider is as simple and changing DNS entries in your DNS registrar.
Nowhere in the manifesto did they mention that security is still a priority and not an afterthought despite wanting to move faster and faster with AI. That is the problem. I guess that’s why he’s a CTO and not a CISO. But you would think a company that sells security and privacy as its product would have security-centric folks all the way to top management.
This is not the death of expertise. The LLM is fast. You are slow, but you carry with you a lifetime of experience, judgment calls, and understanding.
Listen up Bart, you dumb fuck. If you willingly cede all this creation to the LLM then the last generation of fucking people with expertise are the ones working now! Go down this road and It dies with them.
Because who’s going to bother to learn code when it’s all brain dead chodes like you running the show and telling everyone to hand over the reins…. Oh but of course we’re still the one at fault if something goes wrong because we’re the manager and “Not only are you responsible for the work getting done, you also now own how it gets done.”
Holy fucking Christ, I don’t know if I ever ever gone 180 on an organization as quickly as I have on this one over the past week.
Currently the situation at where I work. I get paid to lobotomize a bit of myself every single day
why be disappointed in Proton? every bad headline about them in the past year has been about Andy, the employees don’t like him any more than you do.
Because Andy is the CEO, which means he gets to make a lot of the important decisions, not the people who don’t like him.
The linked article isn’t from Andy though…
This is not about chasing trends — we are being left behind here, and it is an existential threat to the success of the mission itself.
It’s wild to see how everyone successfully clocked crypto as a scam but then immediately applied the same “NGMI” FOMO mindset to the next scam.
Don’t get me wrong. LLMs are useful for several important software engineering functions: prototyping, iterating on implementations, collecting supplementary data, lining up disjoint interfaces… but it makes a terrible foundation, and it can’t refactor beyond a 101 level.
The only reason the industry is able to pretend that synthetic text extrusion is a sustainable replacement for granular human discernment is because most of our economy is just about building a marketable scam and leaving someone else to hold the bag. If company decision-makers knew they might face any consequences at all for steering the ship into a tar pit, this mass psychosis would not be possible.
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Also, this…
LLMs are not here to help you write better code faster. Your job is to help the LLM write better code faster.
…is precisely Cory Doctorow’s point about reverse centaurs, and the difference between labor and capital when it comes to deploying new tools. I don’t think they even realize they’re putting the quiet part in bold.
I don’t even get what “left behind” even really means here? It’s not like they’re at the cutting edge of some winner takes all race, they’re building already established tech (email, cloud storage, etc.) based on a specific ideology (privacy), and they already have enough momentum and brand recognition to just continue riding the current privacy-tech wave. I just don’t get why they felt the need to rock the boat with drama like this. This whole saga just reads too much like VC backed “move fast and break things” mindset which would put a sizeable chunk of their core customer base off the product
Tuta
Have a look at mailbox.org, it’s a German provider of email/drive/calendar/office/conferencing. They’ve been around for a few decades and they use Linux and FOSS.
https://mailbox.org/en/about-us/
May Be a Linux Client Support
You can use any email client you want because they use standard IMAP and SMTP, and their non-mail services are used in the browser.
I am also happy there. Their non-mail services also support open standards, so you can use them In software that supports it. The Contacts and calendar support Cal/CardDav and the files WebDav.
My only minor gripe with them is no Jmap support, but almost no providers do.
I am still finalizing my choices for my migration, and I am heavily leaning towards them for my email.
One question I still have is if I have a custom domain in my account, can I share it with other users in a family plan, and can they use it to create aliases in their own?
I also looked at Tuta, but I feel they are going to go the way of Proton (just a feeling in the way they communicate.) It also rubbed me the wrong way that I could not find a contact email on their site, and instead they send you to Reddit.
I found this: https://kb.mailbox.org/en/private/custom-domains/using-emails-with-a-custom-domain/#specifics-for-family-accounts
So yes, you have to use a different MX record, but you can share a domain name with your family. I switched to them this week, but haven’t managed to decide on a family domain name, as we all have different last names 🙃. Will probably use multiple domains.
Thanks for the confirmation. Do you know if it is possible to connect one alias to multiple mailboxes?
And I get your pain on the domains as well. Trying to do the same here. But I will for sure have one domain for all of us only for important things like bank, mortgage and medical which doesn’t get exposed to anything else.
Do you know if it is possible to connect one alias to multiple mailboxes?
I don’t know if Mailbox does this but technically speaking it should definitely be possible, as long as the mailboxes are on the same domain. (If you cross domains it’s not aliasing anymore, it’s forwarding.)
I know Migadu has this feature and it works as intended.
Speaking of Migadu it’s another good option but they only do email, nothing else (no calendar, no drive etc.) They have an interesting pricing model where the account owner pays for a certain tier of storage and of emails sent/received per day, but inside that account you can have as many mailboxes, logins, domains and aliases as you want. It can become cost-effective very fast, as low as 2-3 users.
My use case is that I would like for example mortgages my domain.tld to be sent to mybajd my wife’s inbox.
Correct me if I misunderstood, but one of the reasons I disconsidered migadu is that only the account owner can create aliases for others to use. For me it’s important that my wife can independently create aliases as she needs it.
You can appoint multiple accounts as administrators at Migadu, provided you’re not on the Micro plan.
Another option would be the “pattern rewrites” feature of Migadu. It’s a sort of “wildcard alias”. You, as admin, can define an alias with a asterisk in it (let’s say
bla.*@) for one of the wife’s mailboxes, and she could give out addresses with the asterisk replaced by anything she wants (bla.amazon@,bla.ebay@etc.)You can define more than one such wildcard pattern, you could make for her
shop.*@,bank.*@,bills.*@,social.*@, and so on, a pattern for every occasion.She would still not be able to edit these aliases but she would be able to make them up on the fly (as long as they match the fixed part of a wildcard). You can even send from these aliases (you simply use them as your “From” address in the mail client).
I haven’t actually set up a family account yet, so can’t answer on that, sorry!
if I have a custom domain in my account, can I share it with other users in a family plan, and can they use it to create aliases in their own?
I think so but I only have an individual account with Mailbox so I’ve never tried this. See their help pages (under Resources), they have extensive documentation. Another option is to use the contact form on their site to ask.
I know they have this thing called “family accounts” that takes individual accounts and makes them part of a “family” so they can share stuff like files and calendars. I think it means they can also partake in custom domains. And of course each account can make their own aliases.
Keep in mind each account needs to be paid separately though. Not sure it’s possible to have multiple mailboxes with different logins and self-managed aliases under the same account.
You can make free accounts and add them to a family but free accounts have some limitations, particularly about aliases.
Thanks for the info. I scoured through the docs but could not find a definitive answer. Justbsent them the question over support as suggested.
I went with mailbox in the end and it’s been pretty good so far. It’s not the main reason I chose them but it is so much easier to read out “mailbox dot org” over the phone to someone than having to spell out the name of some of the other privacy-focused providers.
Shitty human for years.
