In May, the House Energy and Commerce Committee voted 48-1 in favor of the Sunshine Protection Act. The U.S. Senate voted unanimously in March 2022 to make daylight saving time permanent but the House never took up the measure in the face of opposition. The proposal the House will consider next week would allow states to opt out.
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This is just a half measure. They need to fix the tilt of the Earth for a real solution to this problem.
Trump just fired the federal election commission and fucks kids. Epstien files.
I just saw that. What. The. Fuck.
Exactly.
Of course there might be somethibg horrible in this bill that they want to sneak through.
This would be about the only good thing Republicans have done ever if they pass this. Hope they don’t let states opt out. When I lived up north by Canada, the logic was “you don’t want kids having to walk to/from school when it’s dark!!” Okay, so… wow, did you know they could change school hours.
School hours are engineered to make sure parents can drop their kids off at the state-funded daycare (which is what most parents consider school) and get to work on time…
And the reason the high-school kids get out first is so they can take care of younger siblings after school, which is a shitty way for teenagers to spend afternoons. (I was lucky, youngest of six.)
When I lived up north by Canada, the logic was “you don’t want kids having to walk to/from school when it’s dark!!” Okay, so… wow, did you know they could change school hours.
The same argument works the other way. Keep noon as the point where the sun is highest. Then change the times of things for appropriate daylight. Daylight savings is just people agreeing to get up an hour earlier. Instead of “9 to 5”, everyone agrees to work 8 to 4. Which coincidentally puts solar noon perfectly in the middle of the work day. Isn’t that a surprise!
I get confused, but what I prefer based on living far north is for evenings to be longer. It seems wrong to me when winter approaches and the sun starts going down around 6-7, then bam, the time change happens and the sun starts going down at 5. It’s the exact opposite of what I’d prefer. I guess people active in the early morning like it. Ultimately I just think it’s dumb to change the clocks. We should just pick one or the other.
Everyone agrees to stop changing. The only contention is how. Stay on DST, or stay on Standard Time. Lots of people say like you, “More daylight in the evening please!” But they don’t realise all DST does is trick people into getting up early by lying to them, and breaking noon from the sun. Staying on standard time keeps the time sun connection. Then the “standard work day” can be changed to the more appropriate 8 to 4. You get the same effect as DST without lies, tricks, and changing solar noon. It’s cleaner than permanent DST.
We live in time zones. “Standard” time is just as much a fiction as DST. I’ve never lived somewhere where the sun is directly overhead at noon. I suppose such places must exist; some of them might even be on standard time when it does. In my area, it’s closer to directly overhead during DST.
It used to be that towns would set their clocks so solar noon was noon. When time zones are invented they picked one place and that was the standard. I remember reading somewhere once that mountain time was defined as solar union at Denver Union Station because the most important function of time zones is railroad scheduling at the time when the first American time zones were defined
Well, we’re also in the 21st century and this jump an hour twice a year shit makes no sense. We could make timekeeping worldwide way more insane by having it adjust “imperceptibly” over time to auto adjust times worldwide based on true solar noon at each individual clock location using GPS. So all clocks would now have GPS as well to be able to ping their location to get the appropriate time. This… would be insane. We’d have seconds that are longer than a second. LET’S DO IT.
People have a weird fixation on the inherent meaning of certain times of day. Like 9:00 a.m. is ontologically when work begins. It’s strange.
Landscapers and construction want to start as early in the day as possible, but are restricted by noise ordinances designed to protect the sleep of everyone else. They have to wait until after sunrise, and work in the heat of the day in the summer. Daylight Savings Time pushes the summer heat back an hour, letting them work longer and safer.
On standard time, summer sunrises can occur as early as 3:30AM on the eastern edge of some time zones. Forcing landscapers and construction to wait four hours after sunrise until a noise ordinance expires is absurd. Standard time is terrible in the summer.
DST does push the morning back, with morning twilight as late as 9am at high latitudes on the western edge of a time zone. But the solution to that is to redraw the time zone boundaries, not force the entire country to continue doing something as stupid as the time change. These places can adopt DST of the next zone to the west, which is standard time for their current zone.
DST in winter takes an hour of morning daylight from the boss, and gives it back to us as an hour of daylight after work, where we can put it to use. Kids can enjoy year-round outdoor extracurriculars, instead of being limited from November to March due to entirely arbitrary clock settings.
Ending the clock change is a great idea. The question becomes, do we want to:
Go the permanent daylight saving route. Be an hour off from the rest of the world adding to the stack of weird and arguably stupid things the USA does different so we can have a bit of light after work instead of questioning why we’re working our lives away. Also, drastically increase the number of morning injuries and fatalities, especially among children, as schools will be starting in the dark.
OR
Be sane.
It appears Congress has spoken.
Why we don’t move schools to start later in winter so they start in sunlight
You’d also have to change working hours for parents so they can get their kids ready for school.
That kids darkness thing is so stupid. Our kids start school in the dark they are not dying on the streets.
“If it isn’t happening right in front of my face at absurd rates, it must not be happening at all.” Meanwhile, https://worldmetrics.org/daylight-savings-time-accident-statistics/
Because of existing time zones aren’t we already different from the rest of the world? You make other good points but the rest of the world comparison seems odd. If anything just picking one is more consistent and safer regardless. I mean if you wanna talk about weird, the entire mainland china is one time zone, China Standard Time.
Or the fact that countries change to DST at different times if at all.
I’m too lazy to find my years old comment on this but they didn’t vote on it because they pocketed it to use as a rider base or ticket.
There is literally no opposition, they wanted to use it to pass other bills or measures at the same time because it has complete bipartisan support.
Congress sucks ass.
As someone who works too damn early, please let’s be sensible and do permanent standard time.
I’m sorry Canada, you’re usually right, but you’re wrong about this
We are further north. I went daylight time because it leaves more daylight after work.
Even here in the Midwest I feel the same. I’d rather have the sunlight during my time, not while I’m at work.
To be fair, Saskatchewan of all places actually did it right. BC surprised me. Alberta makes perfect sense with Marlena at the helm.
Conservatives really are doing everything to repeat the Nixon years.
Nixon tried it. Turns out people didn’t like it once they had it and it was switched back.
Noon should be noon, not 1.
Do you complain for 3/4 of the year?
Yes, seriously makes my insomnia worse.
Yes. Where I live is on the weird edge of a timezone, so even for the tiny part of the year where time makes more sense solar noon is at around 12:33. When daylight savings happens, that goes to 13:33. Noon happens closer to 15:00 than to “noon” and it’s stupid
SHUT THE FUCK UP! OKAY? They vote on this every fucking year and it dies in the Senate. Big Clock is going to lobby this shit until I die. Just shut up. Stop talking about it. Daylight Savings will be in the USA for at least another hundred years.
It’s actually been gaining steam over the past 5-ish years. If it dies in the end, it’s because people can’t agree which time should be permanent.
MAGAs have been pushing it because it’s one of the few innocuous issues they’ve got that isn’t a human rights atrocity.
It was really pushed by Rubio before he boarded the Trump train though
JUST! DO! THINGS! AT A! DIFFERENT! TIME! DAMMIT!!!
If you feel like time should always be an hour ahead, just do things an hour early! There’s no need to change our entire reckoning of time
Who even fucking cares anymore? How about demanding proof of life from the Senate Majority Leader? Stop wasting your breath on this bullshit.
I like late sunshine.
I don’t care which we choose. Just choose one and that’s that. The day’s length doesn’t change; only the moment we start/stop things relative to the sun.
But this is the biggest sticking point. If you talk to experts, everyone agrees this is fucking stupid. The divide is over which way to go.
And that really doesn’t matter because you can just change what hours your office or school or whatever operates to suit your ideal daylight situation. And if you still want to change based on longer days in summer, plenty of places have “summer hours” and are open later to take advantage of later sunset, so this really isn’t a new concept.
That’s just not how businesses work. We need times to be consistent so that shipping, etc all works.
Yes, we all need to be in agreement about what time it is, but every business has different working hours. Starbucks opens before Staples for a good reason. And Starbucks has a later close time in the summer because there’s more demand later if the sun is still up. If we all change all clocks one way or the other, Starbucks keeps the same schedule relative to the sun and what other people are doing. They don’t strictly stick to the same open and close times if we decided to move the clocks by 6 hours, so there’s no reason to believe that they would if it only moved 1 hour.
Not sure you got my point though. Starbucks has a supplier. They need to be on the same schedule as their supplier for deliveries to work. And that supplier supplies numerous other businesses.
You’re right. I don’t get your point. They are already supplying just fine. Starbucks already adjusts store hours seasonally, and they’re not unique in this. It’s not that complicated to work out.
Legitimately, after the first year, we’ll all see that it’s so much better that it’s insane that we didn’t do this sooner.
Standard Time should be the default. And sadly, we don’t even have that. Even our Standard Time has been mucked with. This website is a good source (not mine by the way). https://savestandardtime.com/ Let businesses change their hours instead of making people change clocks.
False.
Of the two options they could have standardized on they picked the worst one. This literally defeats the point of noon
That is admittedly the best argument in favor of standard I’ve heard.
Why not standard time?
North/West vs South/East in each time zone
There are 4 time zones in the US
The more North/West you live in a time zone the more you hate DST. The more South/East you live the more you like DST.
If you live in blue you probably hate DST, yellow probably like DST
All stems from states like Michigan should be in CST not EST. If Michigan was in CST then permanent DST would make it EST and they would be in “standard” time still.
Couldn’t this be fixed by just moving the blue sections to the adjacent time zone.
Yes it could be. But having half a city in one time zone and the other half in another causes logistical problems. Does the same thing with states. That’s why they are like that.
Best solution would be creating all new states designed around the time zones.
This would be the best way to split up the time zones with current states and counties
Thirty minute time zones are not at all feasible.
The best solution is to permanently adopt the more widely used system (DST) immediately, then reconsider the boundaries of four (or perhaps five) zones.
Because light in the evening is better than light at night.
The numbers on the clock have no effect on the amount of daylight.
Great, so there’s no objection to permanent daylight savings.
