i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

she explicitly, and immediately called the Russian invasion illegal.

I want to disband nato. I think the security council should be disbanded.

nato posturing was threatening to Russia. that doesn’t justify the invasion. she never excused it

they also wanted the Republicans to lose

that is not what she said

Jill steins policies are nothing like Republicans

it’s not implicit at all. and it’s certainly not explicit. people who oppose the democrats from the left aren’t advocating for republicans.

i’m stating plain facts, and you are bending over backwards paragraph after paragraph to explain why the truth is actually totally not true.

this is just gymnastics. no one is saying “let’s keep the republicans in power.”

let’s keep the republicans in power.

no one is saying that.

she was investigated by the senate for any russian connections, and none were found.

if democrats want people to vote for them, they need to earn that with policies that make people want to vote for them

there is no reason to believe people who voted for Greens would have voted for Democrats.

Democrats don’t own all votes that don’t go to Republicans. they must earn them. vote splitting is a myth that serves the hegemony.

it wasn’t counted for Trump.

if she had won, you would be praising her as a visionary over Hilary or kamala. and if all the votes for Hillary has gone to get, she would have won.

a vote for Jill Stein was a vote against Trump.

it’s not supporting fascism

you’re assigning a motivation that I don’t think they have

Democrats voted for it in the house and senate

vote for a third party is currently a vote for the side you hate worse.

no, it’s a vote against both of them

What you are saying is that the person sitting next to you doesn’t deserve rights because you failed to vote against the opposition because the Democrat candidate isn’t perfect

this is bad faith

I think they’re in agreement here.

Republicans don’t blame libertarians. they know that the people who want to vote for libertarians aren’t Republicans. the same can’t be said for Democrats. they believe they are owed every vote people choose to give to greens. it’s entitled.