This is unacceptable. And I’m sick of all the fucking workarounds to maintain basic privacy.

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    We need to collectively abandon tech that insists on any of this. I post about this often, but I’ll say it again: this will come with discomfort; you need to be okay with that temporarily.

    These ghouls cannot withstand weeks / months of boycott. They simply can’t, daddy earning reports and the shareholders won’t allow it.

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      The problem is that they made people addicted first. This is like saying “Everyone, we need to boycott heroin until they stop cutting it with fentanyl!”

      What we need is to take over the government and enact and enforce laws against this. Hopefully by voting.

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        Hopefully not by voting. I absolutely loath peoples misplaced trust in bureaucratic mechanisms. If you want something done you do it, I’m not going to vote for someone in one of the pre-approved parties, just for them to give 40 reasons why it’s unreasonable. You are never allowed to vote when it could actually create change, remember that.

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          Sheeeit, I live in a state where we directly voted for a particular thing, like overwhelmingly the public said “yeah, do things this way for fuck’s sake!”

          And the legislators? They said “we don’t think that’s in your best interest, actually, so no, don’t think we will”. And that was the end of that. (Actually not really, they did similar stuff with a couple other things too, including screwing our teachers enough to get them to organize a bit despite how heavy their workloads already are, damn was I eager to help with that!).

          Voting to solve problems. Lol!!

          spoiler

          Dear reader, if this is you, you don’t have to begin anew the tired recapitulation of the arguments - I do vote, like a chump, every chance I get, while also knowing we simply cannot vote our way out of this, that has been engineered (and continually is!) to never happen.

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            Thank you for the clarification in the spoiler. It makes your argument way stronger.

            We’ve lost organizational power in this country because the pedophile class has been destroying even slightly liberal third spaces. Christian coffee shops talks politics everyday, no one bats an eye. But god forbid a business support a queer person, then everyone will boycott that business because theyre doing politics.

            Find your local third spaces that kinda support you, and build a community of spenders and force the third space to support you more.

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              What do you think can be done for more and better third spaces? I’m at an almost total loss but damn do we need them. And people can tell, even when they don’t quite have the words to describe that need, they sense the lack for certain.

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                I think one of the first ways is to show up. Like if a place is hosting a drag show, recognize that they’ve lost customers, so now you need to show up for the drag shows AND during regular hours.

                If its somewhere you want to be a third space, then be friendly. Engage in conversation. If you’ve been going for a while, welcome new people to the space.

                Third spaces don’t have to be businesses, they can be parks, libraries, and the likes. Those are a bit easier to start your community in. Make a post on a local Facebook page, “I’m going to be at this park doing this. Every Sunday at 1PM, join me.” Then show up. The first event will likely only have 2 or 3 people show up. That’s normal. Keep it up, be consistent, and don’t get down when no one shows up, do it again. People will come when they realize they’ve missed out. Make sure people know they missed out, take pictures, make it look busy.

                Lastly, I think non-profits, like animal shelters, political organizations, etc. need to be opening reasons for people to visit them. Animal shelters, I think should open pet stores or have a space for dog training - so that local dog owners can meet other dog owners and raise their dogs better. Political parties should have bars/coffee shops so that people have a social third space to be, talk, and advance their party.

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      ID required for computer use in general has to be my line in the sand and that scares the fuck outta me. I have no idea how to make ends meet for the people who depend on me, if I have to walk away from computers, but there has to be a line somewhere.

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    My one hope with all this nonsense is that it will drive people away from centeralized products and toward more open , democratized options ( and that those options will remain excluded from these laws. )… but the world doesn’t normally go the way that I want.

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        I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt until I saw your responses.

        “Is AI” is meaningless drivel. Software does not become “AI”, and an OS is not and cannot “be” AI.

        What you mean is, “Debian devs use LLMs to code”, which has no impact on or correlation to whether Debian will include age or ID verification. No one ordered the devs to use LLMs, so that is not evidence of their “compliance” with authorities, as you seem to imply.

        These snarkily-delivered insinuations have no value; they’re not educating anyone about the topic, they’re not arguing anything of substance, they lack basic technical understanding of what they’re criticizing… they’re just a feel-good gotcha for you.

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          “is ai” is very obviously a simplification, but is also the reality of where they have chosen to go.

          The manner in which debian conducted their transition, says a great deal about them.

          You were not going to give me the benefit of the doubt, don’t expect anyone who is genuine to believe otherwise. The subject of ai is mainly polar. the majority of people on lemmy are not experiencing their 1st day on the internet.

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            You were not going to give me the benefit of the doubt, don’t expect anyone who is genuine to believe otherwise.

            You’re free to be as cynical as you like.

            “is ai” is very obviously a simplification, but is also the reality of where they have chosen to go.

            It’s not a “simplification”. A simplification is still roughly the same meaning. “Coded with AI” and “Is AI” are unrelated statements, not more or less nuanced versions of each other, any more than “Bill is driving a racecar” and “Bill is a racecar” are.

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      I fucking guess. I am at the point where I will take my children out of school if they are forced to do face scans or give any ID in order to participate and learn. I’m almost at the point where I would rather lose my job than comply with this

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        Children don’t usually have ID. You only need to provide ID to prove you’re an adult.

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      i’m going to switch to devuan since systemd already pre-complied wo anyone commanding them to.

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          no mention of guix on a systemd less distro list is crazy. not that i use guix, and im fine with systemd as a nixos user, but it feels like guix is the anti nixos. the richard stallman version of nixos with all the pros and cons that come with that

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            I run mine with the nonguix repository so I don’t think Stallman would approve of how I lead my life (with all the pros and cons that come with that).