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  • Yeah it is, thats why you’ll hear ‘cleanroom development’ tossed around, to refer to someone that has never seen the other software’s source is developing its replacement.

    This matters legally because its an airtight way to prove no copyright could have been violated. Usually the community overlooks such minor violations to support new developers, but unfortunately this sentiment is changing fast thanks to the modern piracy landscape.

    The term ‘cleanroom’ has gotten pretty muddied with AI taking it over to mean ‘mathematically exclusively derived from the original source, but cleanroom makes us claim legal overship over someone else’s work so that’s what it is’. You can see how the meaning has drifted quite a lot once it reached marketing.

    I haven’t seen any precedent in US or other courts on the originality of AI code, but if you have any links I’d be interested in learning more. It would be quite a monumental ruling, because it requires us to ask - how small of an AI model is technically original?

    If I train an ‘AI’ on a single pice of work, can I then claim ownership over it legally? Or does it specifically require whatever the current state of the art datacenters are at? Cause then its just legal for cooperation’s to ignore copyright and no one else.


  • Forking a software with pirated code is still retains its piracy unfortunately.

    Stack overflow comments are CC BY-SA 4.0 licensed, specifically to avoid the issue of piracy. I doubt everyone copying from it is properly attributing to the source, but thats much different then pretending the license doesn’t exist at all for personal benefit.

    AI is trained without restriction on available internet content, including github where many AGPL projects exist.

    Disclosure allows for a copyright respecting kernel to exist, still allowing pirates to fork it and add their stolen code if they want.

    Unfortunately the entire kernel is just setting itself up for future legal issues, like what originally handicapped BSD because AT&Ts copyright claim over Unix.


  • Piracy is usually frowned upon in FOSS communities, regardless of the financial benefit (or lack of) to the pirate.

    Usually disclosing piracy is required for the kernel, as unclearly licensed code weakens the entire foundation of the GPL it was built on, and opens the door to companies legally arguing to ignoring this license themselves.

    This has the potential to handicap the entire FOSS community, and most consider that more important than a couple bugs some vibe coder desperately wants to introduce.









  • Yeah but its different killing a kid to inherit an Xbox vs buying a basket from a small busniss owner. So there’s some nuance to it.

    Mass copyright infringement proping up majority of the US economy during a self-induced recession is probably on the more nuanced end if you ask me, not Jesus’ second coming (or electricities second coming, or the next PDF, or any other buzzword you need)



  • Thats a good point, not even turboprops are leaded if I remember right.

    Obviously it’d require a lot of study to definitively say the impact of the lead, but I’m convinced the impact wouldn’t be able to compare to natural levels in that atmospheric environment. Like we love our planes, but its still energetically really difficult for us to get them up there - but space rocks can have a hard time NOT burning up in our atmosphere. And lead is a larger than uniform part of our universe because its atomic stability, so odds are (IMO) atmospheres relatively lead-y, but have been for centuries.

    That and the difficulty creating hotspots in such a turbulent environment makes it required to increase the entire atmosphere’s lead content to increase any one area to dangerous levels.



  • Yeah but the jet stream takes care of any concerning concentrations of exhaust.

    Even under 10,000 ft the atmospheric dispersion is orders of magnitude above surface.

    The turbulence at the surface on a bad day can ‘lock out’ the upper atmosphere sometimes, which is extra dangerous for surface car exhaust - but is actually beneficial the higher your altitude vs ground.

    So in all ways the ways airplane fuel would expose someone to lead, isnt experienced by the general populace. (minus directly handling the fuel, may have concentrated lead get on someone’s hand/food, but thats another situation)