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Fairphones with /e/OS is shipped by Murena, a French company who just cooperates with Fairphone. For GrapheneOS to ship on Fairphones Graphene would have to make a similar arrangement. They won’t, for a number of reasons.

I’d say very slim.

First, GrapheneOS insist on specific hardware which means Fairphone would have to make very specific changes to the device for GrapeheneOS to be supported. This would make the phone more expensive, which is a huge problem for Fairphone: Building a high-quality repairable smartphone with more ethically sourced minerals at a reasonable price is hard enough already.

Second, the team behind GrapheneOS are not exactly masters of diplomacy. I’ve seen them trash Fairphone on multiple occasions, either for association with /e/OS which they seem to think is the product of Satan himself (just like all other phone operative systems other than iOS, stock Android, and GrapheneOS), or because Fairphone supports devices for too long and that this has bad security implications or whatever. They seem to have some sort of specific beef with Fairphone, and I very much doubt either party would be interested in cooperating as a result.

It seems Murena Maps is coming along nicely in that respect! It has buses and trains, shows live traffic info, is open source, and seems to be working alright.

It’s still under development, so it’s not perfect, but for public transportation it seems to be pretty great. You need to install Obtanium to try it. The repo is here.

Another good option is to used headlines (lines starting with ##) rather than numbered points. :)

I keep on thinking of pmOS as PMS OS, which is also maybe not ideal. I guess it is bleeding edge.

Opposite mechanisms - are they rich because they are entitled or are they entitled because they are rich.

My first reaction was to think the same, but this kinda assumes class mobility. Which is rare.

I think it’s more likely that upper class kids are more likely to be entitled and grow up to become entitled adults.

The google apps themselves are largely replaceable, but stuff like banking and communication (WhatsApp, Outlook) is where things tend to get problematic. You can run Android apps in Linux, but it might not be the most convenient thing to keep running at all times, and many banking apps will fail as they recognize the device as “insecure”.

I never had problems with Comaps or Organic Maps, and in my experience they are particularly good outside of cities.

I don’t use voice guide though, but my advice would be to give comaps a shot and see if they fixed whatever bug you were having.

I really don’t like the user experience of OsmAnd to the point where I find it unusable. I use Comaps all the time and love it. Each to their own I guess.

If a bolt is loose you might lose it.

Or so we hope, anyway.

They’re keeping a low profile on their surveillance technology while successfully marketing themselves as a privacy alternative in consumer tech. Its pretty fascinating to watch. I wouldn’t blame anyone for missing it.

It’s also worth reading up on Aviglon, a subsidiary of Motorola specializing in surveillance technology.

Edit: @plyth@feddit.org pointed out that Motorola is in fact split into two separate companies. The phone company is effectively Lenovo, so Chinese, and not related to the American surveillance technology branch.

Not sure I’d trust Lenovo/Motorola Mobility either, but that’s a different story.

In June 2026, Motorola bricked its whole line of routers without any explanation, leaving their customers with broken hardware.

The main thing you’re supporting is Motorola, the second biggest provider of surveillance technology in the US after Flock. Deflock lists 5% of the cameras as Motorola, but the share is increasing as backlash against Flock is growing and Flock cameras are replaced with more low key competitors.

404media has reported on how Motorola cameras are used by ice.

“Gotta support the cause” is one hell of a dangerous sentiment under capitalism.

Here we very much disagree in our understanding of American history, but that’s another debate. :)

I care more about privacy and security than I do about throwing a few bucks at Google’s hardware division.

And I’m more worried about surveillance capitalism, the rise of fascism, attacks on software freedom, the unsustainable exploitation of natural resources, and modern day slavery than I am about extremely targeted local security threats. But I also respect that others have different threat models. Some journalists and community organizers in [aspiring] dictatorships need higher security standards than I do, and they are only able to meet these standards because enthusiasts choose to make it a priority.

I live in Europe, and I don’t find it very difficult to avoid overly evil shit. I wouldn’t travel to the US, and if I did I wouldn’t want to bring any personal electronics with me.

And yet they have the entire industry in the palm of their hand.

For me it’s a no-brainer. I don’t buy products from Google, Amazon, Musk, Zuckerberg, or anyone else who obviously want to do me harm. Any path towards a better world sold to me by the people who are busy destroying the current one will be treated with immense scepticism.

I don’t see much point arguing further why I wouldn’t buy my privacy respecting hardware from Google or de facto Flock. We probably have different priorities.

I use a degoogled Fairphone. No money going to Google when I bought it, no data going to Google while I use it. You can also buy Fairphones new without Google Android.

more harmful than even throwing a couple bucks back at Google directly for hardware that will probably end up costing them more money than it makes them when you remove all their spyware.

This seems delusional. Even if they don’t run on huge profits from selling their devices you end up supporting their market dominance.

While there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism yadda yadda there’s still degrees of bad. I would not buy from a company who is actively building the infrastructure of the fascist surveillance state. By Google phone here I meant a Google brand phone, not a phone that comes with Google Android. Buying a Google Pixel second hand is obviously better than buying anything new.

Basically I think it’s worth trying to avoid buying things from people who want to do you harm, and when compromises have to be made it’s still worth settling for less evil. Motorola and Google are not that.

Motorola is also involved in the surveillance industry, both with their own direct competitors to Flock cameras and as the owners of a company named Avigilon. 404media has reported on how both contibuted to surveillance in Alabama.

I wouldn’t buy a Google phone in pursuit of privacy, and I wouldn’t buy a Motorola one either. Sending money that direction defeats the purpose.