I am italian, and the main messaging platform here is WhatsApp. I didn’t completely quit, i just said “Hey, i want to not use it as much, so don’t expect me to instantly answer”, and that was the deal for a while. Then, i suddenly convinced the most important friends to switch including my mom, and now i can confidently say i could potentially delete my WhatsApp account and wouldn’t loose on much. However i’ve been thinking and i feel like an asshole for making them switch. They say it’s not an issue for them, but still feels like such a selfish thing to do. I am immensely against Meta, i do not trust their app, especially since it’s closed source and most of their revenue is literally data trafficking, but i also feel like a bit of a paranoid crazy guy. I love Signal and chose that as a platform mainly because they have no telemetry, no ads, no AI bs, it’s fully open source and incredibly user friendly (only annoyances are the centralization which is kinda necessary for the ease of use and the mobilecoin stuff, but it is not a biggie since it’s opt in and you’d have to specifically seek out for it unlike the Brave Rewards in Brave for example). What do you think?
No you shouldnt.
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Couldn’t have asked for a better answer
why feel bad for suggesting objectively better software?
IMO it’s better in a sense that one may do damage vs one that would not
WhatsApp does a lot of damage. Even if they don’t read your messages (there is no evidence that they can’t, since WhatsApp is proprietary), they at the minimum know who you talk to and when, and they use that data across Meta services to track you.
Asking someone to add an additional free messaging app is maybe a 2 out of 10 on the effort scale, where 1 is “hand me that thing that’s next to you” and 10 is “give me one of your kidneys”.
You shouldn’t feel bad about asking anyone who claims to care about you for such a small favor even if it didn’t benefit them, but as others have already mentioned, it does.
Its not selfish to convince your family to do what’s in their own best interests.
I gave up on signal just because when I swapped none of my friends did, so therefore, there’s no reason for me to use it because I’m just partying by myself.
Being said if you got people to actually go with you then I wouldn’t feel bad about it because obviously they wouldn’t have swapped if they didn’t want to.
However i’ve been thinking and i feel like an asshole for making them switch.
You should definitely not feel like an asshole for getting them on a safer app. You moved them off a predatory app. That’s good. I convinced my mom to get off Whatsapp because Meta kept trying to scam her into using the AI bullshit.
With Signal, it’s just messages. No ads, nothing trying to trick you into doing something against your benefit. It’s just messaging. That’s all she cares about.
It’s not selfish. Data protection protects THEM as well.
How about Matrix? (Element X)
I had everyone move to matrix and it was really a struggle to keep it working and usable, and now we switched to Signal which is a much easier user experience.
I’ve started replying to any meta site link with this sticker I found on signal
If people knew how meta treats their customers, then they won’t (I hope) stay there.
Cropped version.
Horrible resolution though…
If you leave them to choose between WhatsApp and Signal, they’ll pick what they already have and what they’re familiar with. I deleted WhatsApp after they introduced MetaAI, and told people close to me, that they could only message me using Signal going forward. Just make sure you support people that have difficulty installing and using the app. When removing malware from my grandma’s smartphone, I also made sure to install Signal, and she now comfortably contacts me through it for minor things. It’s not like you’re inconveniencing them much: it’s just an app installation and basic setup, while the workflow is nearly identical; especially if you allow them to find you through your phone number (which I have disabled).
It isn’t an argument, because there are almost 50 chat alternatives out there, it’s like saying you have to use VW or BMW. To communicate with unknown people there are forums or an fediverse instance like Lemmy or Mastodon, If you want to communicate with your friends or family any of the above proposed chats is enough, or use your phone for what it is, to make a call (yes, this finction still works in smartphones without any app).
Whatsapp: Meta
Signal: CIA
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It doesn’t matter, tho. After decades of psyops, false flag terror, and both state and para state corruption, Italy became the most loyal vassal state in Europe for the US. The data you could protect from them are already in their hands.
“Signal: CIA”
Seems unsubstantiated
Signal is good. In the meantime, check out Prav.
I think XMPP is great, but if we can’t get those closest to us to even use Signal, I don’t think an even more convoluted system will be easier. What makes Prav different from all the other XMPP apps? Edit: Never mind. The convenience of using a phone number is the difference. Which is no doubt easier.
It sounds innovative, but at a subscription I don’t know about that one, chief.
Any benefit you gain in being able to use a phone number is going to be thrown out because I don’t think anyone’s going to pay for a messaging client.
