Is not that they don’t know.
All of them know.
The moderate Democrat politicians know they are a doormat for the corporate donor class. They refuse to enact meaningful change because then they lose their corporate donor money (and they’d have to do real work.)
MAGA politicians know they are betraying America to be a doormat for Donald Trump. They refuse to stand up to him because then they lose their billionaire donor money/Trump pardon protection (and they’d have to grow a conscience).
Our government has been captured by dejected cynics and sadistic sociopaths who only work for and represent people with a lot of money.
This is by design. A country for the rich by the rich from the start. And people have the gall to act surprised at the corruption that was there from the start. Our first President was set to become the world’s first billionaire adjusted for inflation. If he had not died so young he would have.
They know. They just insist that their ideology is all that matters and everyone should just “shut up and follow” and somehow it will all work out. This is what established politicians (read as in this case: establishment democrats/career politicians) standby. We know this doesn’t work.
This is why people need to start voting for actual progressives. Look at what they say versus what they vote for. Compared to who is challenging them.
Then match it with the outcomes of those voted on policies. Is it so hard? Because I know a good amount of people can’t seem to even bother.
Add in the bit of, “how do you know the challenger will actually be faithful on their promises?”. Well, clearly the status quo (aka, the same person you elect in) isn’t going to make the change you want, so why keep them?
You have a party that is desperate to go back to a past utopia that never existed and another that is determined to maintain a status quo that absolutely failed.
In my long study of history there is always a tipping point. 1789, 1840, 1905, 1917 - people just took power back, or made a serious effort to do the same. Not that it was perfect either. The history of humanity is one of struggle against the elites.
In the case of the US, corporations being recognised as actual living, breathing human beings only made revolution a certainty. The only question is when? I’m an old fart, so I hopefully won’t be around to see the inevitable chaos.
There have only been a few places in history where the people actually took back control temporarily with Haiti being one of them. Of course now they have one of the most extreme wealth gaps around.
If the history of the world has been a struggle against the ruling class, that struggle has amounted to a wet fart.
I don’t know about that? France, the United States, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Philippines, Nicolae Ceaușescu in Romania, the fall of the Romanovs in Russia were all a thing.
Besides which, I think that you are missing my point. Success isn’t guaranteed in Revolution, that’s why I included 1905. I was talking about tipping points that lead to revolution. What happens next can go either way.
The wet fart bit is that you just used Hati to disprove a point that I never made in the first place.
Sorry, I am not counting revolutions that amounted to trading one aristocracy for another.
I never said you made that point, I was just talking. I simply don’t believe your revolutions were that revolutionary. I gave an example of a truly revolutionary movement that has amounted to one of the largest wealth gaps in the world.
This is teaching us a bigger lesson, one that so many glaze over.
I take that point. I also make the point that at the beginning of most revolutions the outcome is unknown. Entrenchment of a new regime can only be understood once the outcome has been decided. To make your argument you are permitted to accept or discount revolutions according to your whim.
My entire point was about historical tipping points. In this very simple concept I have been misunderstood. One person accused me of encouraging revolt. You seem to think that my argument doesn’t work because a great many revolutions fail. You are right. A great many do. But I’m not advocating for revolts nor suggesting that they always work. I’m saying that when conditions reach a certain point, they are almost inevitable. Not always even then. North Korea is a case in point.
I totally get what you are saying but I will reserve the right to judge revolutions based upon who started them and their actual results.
I have often had a thought experiment just what it would take for US citizens to rebel. Things are pretty bleak for a lot of people already. The US government has been waging a slow walk genocide with the War on Drugs since before I was born. Millions of families destroyed.
Clearly gun violence, overdoses, excessive incarceration, systemic sexism/racism, and environmental degredation has taken an incredible toll on the US population. The reality is most people don’t even realize this and probably never will. So I am a bit dubious that there will be any sort of cultural revolution soon.
Now if by revolution you mean the US descending into some sort of techno feudalist/fascist hellscape then I would probably say it looks like we are already here.
I’m an old fart, so I hopefully won’t be around to see the inevitable chaos.
If you’ve got no stake in this and nothing to lose, you probably shouldn’t be giving advice.
I’ve got no advice to give. Just making a historical observation.
Over time patterns in human societies emerge. Pointing them out doesn’t constitute advice, nor the promotion of events. Sadly, we can be prisoners of those events, mostly events that are beyond any individual’s control.
Spotting smoke on a far distant ridgeline doesn’t cause the fire that comes roaring down towards your house.
What failure? They’ve done their job perfectly as controlled opposition. The real failure is people expecting anything else from them.
I’m tired of having the same discussion over and over again with neo-liberals that they aren’t anywhere near left and their mandates of “less harm” or “lesser of two evils” doesn’t work anymore. So they have no actual platform or real plans for anything substantial that would be secured. Letting things float on in good faith.
The death of Neoliberalism
, ironically Neoliberalism has killed itself by being too successful, it has never been easier for people with a lot of money to move their fortune and businesses elsewhere.
So certain people and companies become nigh untaxable and impossible to regulate, now if it was a case that these people just furthered themselves and their business that would be one thing.
But they don’t have interesting ideas about race, or “the woke”, or climate change, or a whole host of unpleasantness so they use the power they have to further their petty aims. and narcissistic tendencies.
And now the dam is broken with Musk and Trump shattering all norms, who exactly is going to tell them no in the future?
Who can tell them no?
Lesser of two evils is just for general elections where you only have two choices and you need to slow the rise of fascism.
Progressives need to get on with primarying the fuck out of establishment Democrats. When you have a progressive running against a fascist in the general, polls have shown that the progressive ideas will win…if the voters are focused on policy rather than succumbing to emotional manipulation.
MAGAs always want to make every election about what people want to do with their own genitals. And Dems usually go along with it.
They’ve already started talking about James Talarico’s genitals. They are fascinated by them.
Preach. I’m pretty far left and I am constantly being spammed for money by Dem fundraising. I tell them they can pry it out of my cold dead fingers, or they can come up with a platform better than, “well at least we aren’t trump.”
Whatever is behind Samuel L. Jackson (seat cushions?) looks like a pack of hotdogs.
Diner seat cushions, but now they will forever be hotdogs.
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Weird that AIPAC isn’t mentioned at all in the comments.
You’ve mentioned it now. ✅
Now go on and make a point.
Failure? Pretty sure the oligarchy is getting exactly what they want.
One thing that really sucks about today’s world is that everything seems too big to fail.
Shitty car dealers? Sorry can’t remove them. Shitty banks? Sorry too powerful. Shitty cable? Sorry it’s the only option. Shitty cellular? Sorry only service. Shitty political party? Sorry other option is worse.
Capitalism has a way of squeezing everything into a few hands where we are basically fucked once it reaches the end stage.
The problem is that during the run up you seem to get better service / value as it’s fighting for the top spot, but once there you are totally fucked.
The problem is that during the run up you seem to get better service / value as it’s fighting for the top spot, but once there you are totally fucked.
This is the essence of enshittification
The Democrats are a capital party just like the Republicans. We do not have a labor party in the US. Fascists and racists have their Republican Party, but liberals only have the lesser evil. There is no loyalty. We need a third party to represent labor. The two party/winner take all system is a fucking joke.
The lesser evil of fascism is still fascism. Just with a pride flag in June.
There are third parties, they’ve even spoiled some elections. I think you mean a VIABLE third party.
Democratic socialista need to change their name to the labor party and start championing Bernie’s message of the past 40 years. Appealing to people on the right and left
This is exactly the scenario that the Democratic party is working so hard to quash.
Democrats win by failing. For their corporate bankrollers.
Like a boxer getting paid to throw a match?
Exactly like that, except the paying is a few steps removed so it “doesn’t count as bribery”
They’ve been able to effectively convince the k-hive that it wasn’t their failure; that it was the failure of voters. Those convinced of this narrative are the biggest threat to being able to stop fascism using electoral or other tools.
For decades, we’ve always heard from them it’s someone else’s fault when we fail.
Thankfully she has zero chance of getting the nomination…I’m terrified it’s going to be Buttgieg
Buttigeig is an empty suit you pour money into then it stands up and walks around. His primary claim to fame was sabotaging Bernie in 2020. And apparently being an “excellent” transportation secretary (you know, while fucking over unions under biden) I guess. I’m not saying they aren’t a threat but they’re so far up Ezra Kleins ass I don’t see how they can pretend they aren’t anything but a thirdway walking cat-turd.
The DNC definitely fucked Bernie over, but rolling over and letting them get away with it again made me lose all respect for him.
Don’t worry. It’ll actually be newsome.
Or Pritzker, Or shapiro who is their real favorite. But one hard core zionist is the same as any other really. Even Mark Kelly is a committed zionist. AIPAC would be fine with him, and people seem to support him for no other reason than he’s a Nasa guy. Thats all centrist dems seem to need.
I think AOC has a better chance than he does.
AOC has no chance of securing the Dem nomination unless she signals the DNC and Dem donors that she is now a died in wool capitalist who will play deep state ball.
Plenty of dems are winning without the support of the DNC and their donors, Bernie came close too and I think most of the party base regrets not choosing Bernie in 2016.
We will see what happens.
Been hearing a form of this for over ten years. Just no. They lost to Donald Trump. They must reflect on why the fuck that is without blaming everyone but themselves.
Whoa… Big news. They’re determined about something.
At this point I assume more malicious intent than incompetence.
As a European trying to work out the policy differences between Republicans and Democrats, they don’t seem to be significant. Mainly how elements are interpreted /expressed during campaigns or counter campaigns.
Question for our American cousins: Is this because it’s (overall) what the US population wants to buy into with votes or would a less Ultracapitalism stance not have enough interest?
If a less capitalist party magically appeared with the capital to compete it would sweep the democrats and republicans out of office. The economic grind for no apparent gain is consistently one of the top issues in elections. It just turns out that 100 million dollars of ads can absolutely convince people that this year the politicians will actually help them.
It is incredibly difficult if not impossible to start a new party. You need grassroots campaigns in every state and district just to even get on the ballot. It’s intentionally hard to form a new party because the constitution was designed in such a way to discourage group think and parties.
The Constitution has been pretty well subverted in that matter. It actually made small parties pretty easy because the representation ratio was small enough that Jeb the farmhand could get elected by drinking with enough people in different taverns. That’s been exploded by the refusal to add any new seats to Congress since the 1940’s. So now nobody is getting elected without millions in personal or PAC money. The easiest way to access that money is the DNC and RNC.
The idea that Senators and Representatives would act autonomously in the interests of their constituents was disproven almost immediately. Parties formed in Washington’s lifetime.
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Some context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
I see them as CDU vs AfD or PP vs Vox.
