Exactly. 17 years of “incremental progress” and absolutely fuck all has improved.

If only someone had asked the DNC to eliminate ICE once Obama stepped into office…

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Lol “Nu-uh they lost control in the last major election” isn’t the point you think it is.

Boomers control the Democratic primaries which is the only opportunity for real change. COVID upset that stranglehold which is why the Democratic party was happy to let Biden prevent a primary in 2024.

Good.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify genocide

My guy, you’re the one telling people they’re morally obligated to vote for genocide supporters.

Seems like you have two main rebuttles.

1. Happened before the Boomers. Fine, “Boomers protected existing policy.”
2. “Policy not needed” either it’s a problem or it isn’t. If it’s a problem then policy would improve it. If it’s not a problem then don’t list it.

Also

most Americans revere their vets.

Regardless, you listed a problem which could be improved by policy which never happened because Boomers didn’t make it a priority.

I don’t give two shits about Platner or whatever smear campaign corporate centerists are trying to run to stop the DSA from gaining ground.

I see you’re not acknowledging you can make that argument for any number of circumstances which would eradicate the sole benefit of democracy. If voters are morally obligated to vote for a particular candidate you might as well not have voting at all.

Discouraging people online from voting isn’t campaigning.

Says you. 🤷

You’re trying to turn this into some kind of gotcha for me but it won’t work because I believe in a functional democracy voters don’t owe politicians or other voters their votes. All you’re doing is making an argument against democracy.

At the end of the day Biden/Harris didn’t win the election. If you wanted a different outcome you should be angry at them for failing to do their jobs as politicians and find a way to represent the people they were depending on to get reelected. Biden didn’t have to go around congress twice to ship weapons to Israel. Biden didn’t have to side with rail corporations and block the rail strike. But these are the decisions he made and Trump won again. If you want a better outcome then work to get better candidates through the primaries.

So… campaigning? I support it. That’s a part of a functioning democracy.

Define “sabotage” in this context for me. People refusing to vote for a candidate they do not feel represents them?

They say to vote for their current neoliberal darling.

… That’s what you’re doing.

You’re trying to tell me that your motives make all the difference. I’m telling you on the internet if you walk like BlueMAGA and quack like BlueMAGA you’re BlueMAGA.

How would you feel about vegans trying to sabotage a non-vegan, Pro-Palestine candidate?

If we need their votes to win in the general election we need to consider who they would want in the primary.

BlueMAGA treats primaries like winner take all contests which is precisely how you described it. How many more general elections do you want to lose so you can continue living in that fantasy?

1. Policy voted in by Boomers.
2. Policy voted in by Boomers.
3. Policy voted in by Boomers.
4. Lack of policy voted in by Boomers.
5. Lack of policy voted in by Boomers.
6. Lack of policy voted in by Boomers.
7. Lack of policy voted in by Boomers.
8. Policy voted in by Boomers.
9. Policy voted in by Boomers.
10. Policy voted in by Boomers.
11. Dunno what you’re saying here but probably: Policy voted in by Boomers.

Any questions?

to your 1st question: There was/is a number of problems.

Interesting. Not what you said a second ago. Such as?

Because you’re not paying attention to what I said, and substituting understanding with a ridiculous strawman where everyone who doesn’t agree with you is BlueMAGA.

Okay.

Primaries are the appropriate time to vote your conscience. The general election is the time to try to secure the best outcome possible between the choices.

… that’s exactly what every BlueMAGA says bud.

Lol okay. What was the problem before my ageism then? And what year did my ageism become the problem?

Demonstrates you have some awareness of the problem.

Because you sound a lot like the kind of person who would vote for Joe Biden in the primaries.

Expect it to become more common.

You haven’t answered a single one of my questions in any of my comments you’ve responded to.