Can we test the beef to determine what animal it came from?

Do you agree that, at least for now, we have to win general elections in order to begin carrying that out?

That’s fair. But similarly, you should acknowledge that “independent” predominately includes centrists and moderates of each party.

My concern is that far left candidates will get destroyed in general elections is how the Trump-affiliated scum will remain in power. At the very least, there will be fewer victories over right wing scum if our candidates cannot appeal to independents. And we need to recognize that a large chunk of those independents are people with largely conservative values but are simply disgusted by what Trump and his sycophants have been doing to our country.

People will should back anyone who is actually going to fight and work for the people.

That sounds like super nice and all, but in reality we need independents to be on board. A large chunk of them are still irrationally afraid of socialism even though they probably appreciate tons of government programs that they don’t realize are socialist by nature.

At least we agree that the terrible right wing needs to be voted out of office. And I would agree with you that so much of our establishment Dems (especially the moderates/centrists) are a substantial part of the problem. Where I think we disagree is what the largest chunk of decent voters want right now — I think we simply want a competent government that strives to work for the people and strives to hold criminals and other bad actors accountable for their misdeeds. I don’t think this chunk agrees with extreme measures like defunding institutions that have been important to America for decades. That type of rhetoric (or candidates being affiliated with other people who use that type of rhetoric) feels like a great way to ensure the Maga scum remain in power.

What are this guy’s current chances of winning in the general election? And in comparison, what would you estimate (since we’ll never know) a more moderate Democrat’s odds of winning that same general election?

I’m trying to check Kissmi/pooeymkat (misspelled on purpose), but haven’t had much luck finding the odds so far.

Socialism is still a terrifying word for conservatives and most independents. Nominating socialists as Democratic candidates makes me feel more certain that Dems will fail to retake control of this country.

The mainstreams of both parties are open to socialist ideas presented by their own members. Obviously, only the Dems are consistently willing to entertain thoughtful socialist ideas (in smallish doses). But NONE of that can happen if we nominate far left socialists who crush primaries only to get eviscerated in the general elections.

I hope this is just temporary nihilism. If you’re serious, this might be the most pathetic thing I’ve read in weeks.

He never skips TACO Tuesday.