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  • Even if we disagree about restricting eligibility, can we at least agree that improving civic knowledge is essential to a functioning democracy?

    I can agree that a good measure of civic knowledge in the populace is absolutely a prerequisite. Now the question is does every voter need that? There my answer would be no. But should every citizen have been taught enough about civics in school to ensure at least a minimum breadth of civics knowledge in the populace? Yes.

    I also think that a society needs a metaphorical buy-in from the populace. A populace that doesn’t feel they get to vote, demonizes the system that excludes them. We can see where that leads to in America, a low-trust society, where people do not trust the state, where the bureaucracy is seen as an enemy, oppressor, an occupying force. Removing the vote may guarantee a better result short term, but long term you’re just alienating a not inconsequential amount of the populace, creating a two-class society where the oppressed class will do anything in their power to hurt the system. And the US is already mostly there, because the people do not feel represented. I’d argue that many of the wrongs you’d want to correct with this are directly or indirectly caused by a lack of feeling to belong.

    I am very much convinced that your solution is easier to implement in the rapidly autocratizing US. But I’m also convinced that my solution of more democracy would create a better, healthier, happier society. The most democratic countries in the world, are also the best educated and the happiest. https://www.v-dem.net/documents/75/V-Dem_Institute_Democracy_Report_2026_lowres.pdf

    The system in the US is broken and you cannot fix it, by breaking it more, it has to be overhauled completely into something that guarantees representation, civic participation and engagement. And those three things would absolutely drop even lower the higher the hurdles for the smallest measure of representation, participation and engagement are.


  • Quite the Vaushite take.

    I think the problems of american politics isn’t because it’s too democratic, rather I think it’s that the US is:

    1. not a liberal democracy anymore
    2. stuck with a voting system that forces a two-party system and doesn’t allow for proportional representation
    3. electing the president directly instead of forming a multi-party coalition government that then elects the president
    4. allowing money to influence politics way too much
    5. running an education system barely worth its name

    In short, the problem is not too much, but too little lived democracy. Allow the uniparty to fracture and the populace would be better able to pick and choose what they support.



  • On war crimes, they are the same.

    Soo… even if I would accept that (and I don’t, but let’s say I would) that means in that one regard they are the same, but Republicans are still worse for many other groups.

    So voting democrat, only when necessary to prevent a republican in office, is still preventing that more of harm a republican would do.

    The only way to redeem the US system is to take it apart and reform it into something that honors basic human rights.

    That is the main objective, I agree. And Tom Morello agrees. And I do not see how preventing worse outcomes as secondary objectives, while actively working for that goal is in conflict.

    You can work towards dismantling the system while allowing more harm until that goal is reached by not using what little power you have within the system to prevent harm.

    Or you can work towards dismantling the system while also using what little power you have in it to reduce harm until your main objective is reached.

    There’s no contradiction in it. Because neither voting 3rd party, nor non-voting brings you closer to your main objective.