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  • Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.comtoscience@lemmy.world•Literally
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    2 months ago

    your grocer,

    They can poison your food, or sell substandard/filler/replacement goods, and you do not check

    landlord,

    They have keys to your house that you trust them to not use, and you might have an alarm system that makes this a moot point and you actually don’t trust them

    water supply,

    You don’t test your water, you trust that it’s within acceptable limits.

    There is a level of trust that you do display. Is it because you don’t think about these things, and you actually would do those tests if you knew what and how to test for? You only I both know, you wouldn’t. You know that there are consequences for the grocery clerk, landlord, municipal worker for abusing their position, profession, etc.

    I want you to tell me how the Pharma academics and industry are afforded any different level of trust to the engineering, agricultural, residential etc design and supply chains, the crux of my argument is that there is not a real difference.


  • So, at some point where he’s proved his methods of work, he’s going to be trusted.

    The same is for basically any medical researcher. Why are individuals expected to make an informed assessment, when by any account the structure that has that researcher gain their position has them suffer the scrutiny of people that have a much better idea of what problems might be in that research, and a vested interest in picking apart that methodology? (Writing their own paper for school or getting published themselves)

    I literally can’t do better than take the information I have access to and understand (my mechanic has spent time educating me, being transparent, and given me cost/benefit opinion; the medical researchers have gained degrees from credible orgs, peer review has not discredited the methodology, research is replicable etc)

    I’m not going to go to trade school or medical school. Trusting them is happening, or I go live in a cabin in the woods. You trust people implicitly, your grocer, landlord, water supply, etc. There are thousands of ways that the people you rely on every day could maim or outright kill you. That doesn’t happen. Applying this level of mistrust to a shot you get every 6 months and not the things you imbibe and tolerate every day is not logically consistent.


  • No my point is, I’m trusting him when I’m not watching too.

    We can extrapolate from the existing body of work of these scientists, we demonstrably can trust them bro.

    That experiment that started 90 years ago, running for 40 years, never underwent any contemporary peer review. The COVID vaccines have, with government reviews, dozens of outside parties having a look into the formulations, many papers speaking to the theoretical and I’m sure by now practical efficacy.

    You can’t compare a region limited pre electric conspiracy to a contemporary information age alleged conspiracy, the circumstances and scale reduce any parallels to background noise.


  • I trust my mechanic, because when he replaced a rusty section of my exhaust he used a stethoscope to check if his welds were airtight, I watched him do it.

    I trust the scientists, because people watching them do the work is exactly what peer review and replication are.

    The rest of the stuff they do, that I don’t understand, I will trust implicitly because of how open and honest the things I do understand were.