In an exclusive interview with Meet the Press, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) indicated that he does not currently support Medicare for all legislation after co-sponsoring similar bills from 2013-2021.
I’ll gladly criticize the DNC and upper Democratic Party leadership all fucking day long, but I say this as a quasi anarchist / socialist-libertarian: they are fucking leagues better than the republicans who are racist and xenophobic to their core, stealing unimaginable amounts of money from everybody they can, are defending a goddamn cabal of child raping pedophiles, and are doing their fucking best to establish a fascist state.
“oH bUt hE dOeSnT lIkE uNiVeRsaL hEaLtHcArE!!” yea fuck him, but to compare that failure to people actively protecting child rapists? Fuck offfffffffff.
I’ll admit I left the US a few years ago, so I may be a little out of the loop but… what fucking “actual socialist” candidates? Are there more than three yet?
One. My man, at the federal level there’s 435 members of the House and 100 members of the Senate. At the state level there’s 50 governors and 7,383 total legislative seats.
I don’t think you can blame Democrats for being spoilers to “actual socialists” when “actual socialists” aren’t on the damn menu.
According to Wikipedia there’s 102 DSA-aligned (who are Democratic-Socialists and not “actual socialists”) politicians at the federal and state level. Out of 7,968 seats. Barely over 1%.
I stay in the Democratic party simply so I can vote these assholes out with voting for their progressive challengers while donating and volunteering for them.
This is the way. It’s regrettable, but the only viable path forward short of outright revolution. Voting anything other than dem (or being a total fuckwit and not voting) effectively cements our fall to complete fascism.
But to your point. Progressives (such as they are here in the states) are the only hope to claw our way out of the hole neo-cons/neo-libs have thrown us into.
Didn’t get me wrong, I’m a hair’s breadth away from not voting for these Republican in Democrats veneer jackasses either.
A slow slide toward fascism is still sliding toward fascism and these worthless assholes are doing just that. I mean for fucks sake, there’s Katie Hobbs running with a Republican right now.
Jefferies has a leadership position because it was held two weeks before the DNC chair.
If someone like Jamie Harrison (Feb 2021-Feb 2025 chair named by Biden) became chair, then not voting Jefferies/Schumer would have caused the biased DNC to withhold the stolen funds from the Victory Fund…
That’s why they’re “leadership”.
However the voting members of the DNC got to vote because we didn’t have an incoming dem president. So…
When they picked Martin, and he dumped all that money on state parties with zero strings, Schumer and Jefferies lost all their political power.
Jefferies and Schumer’s only shot at returning neoliberals to the DNC, is if a progressive Dem doesn’t become president in 2029. That’s why they want you to leave the party, even if a Republican wins after Trump because of it.
If a progressive becomes president in 2029, they name the DNC chair, and that’s game over for neoliberalism.
For the love of anything you care about, stop telling people the time to give up is right before we win.
I’ll admit that I don’t understand the inner workings of the Democratic Party, but I want to say: It’s not that neoliberals control the money because they run/ran the DNC, but that the DNC had money because it was controlled by neoliberals. This money ultimately comes from donors, who give it to neoliberals no matter what post those neoliberals currently hold. To a first approximation, the more progressive the party is, the less money it gets, with the difference going to neoliberals directly. The point being: The neoliberals’ political comes from their rich backers (and the media connections of those rich backers), not from their party posts, so while their power would be diminished by losing control of the party they’d be far from done for.
You underestimate the dedication of the rich to fucking over everyone else. They’d just rethink their strategy and try again. Not to say it’s hopeless, but that the givesomefucks is being too optimistic about the fate of neoliberalism. Even if progressives become dominant in the blue side of Congress, there’s still value (if you’re evil and actively trying to impoverish people) in maintaining spoilers to deny them a majority.
It’s not that neoliberals control the money because they run/ran the DNC, but that the DNC had money because it was controlled by neoliberals.
No.
When Obama won in 08, he abandoned the DNC.
It operated in a zombie state for 8 years ran by neoliberals into bankruptcy.
When 2016 happened the DNC had zero money and only the chair knew it.
The chair and Hillary’s primary campaign made an agreement with the DNC chair (no one else knew) that Hillary would fund the DNC. That came with the strings that Hillary’s primary campaign controlled what the DNC said and did.
And that is what started the “victory fund” that stole money from state parties, and was handed to Biden, to Kamala, and Finally to the current DNC, who has given it all back to state parties with no strings already.
I highly recommend you read up on “the victory fund”. Start with Donna Brazille’s article because she was the first to blow the whistle. Literally “follow the money” and see that it’s gone.
None of this is hypothetical, and Ken Martin didn’t appear out of thin air, he had a decade long track record running a state party.
This requires zero faith in anyone, just like maybe an hour of looking up what’s happened in the last decade of political history with the DNC, it is highly documented and takes the same level of effort as a jr high book report.
There’s none cause not to put that level of effort in, and I’ll most likely even edit in some links to start out with. But again, don’t just take my word, look around yourself, all this verifiably happened.
This is the reason I’m switching from democrat to independent! These fucks are hardly better than republicans.
That’s silly. Stay registered Democrat and primary those corporate shills right the fuck out. Install progressives and take over the party.
Depends on the state but many let independents choose which primary to vote in.
I mean, as far as I’m aware the only reason to be registered one way or the other is to be allowed to participate in closed primaries.
“Hardly better” ?
I’ll gladly criticize the DNC and upper Democratic Party leadership all fucking day long, but I say this as a quasi anarchist / socialist-libertarian: they are fucking leagues better than the republicans who are racist and xenophobic to their core, stealing unimaginable amounts of money from everybody they can, are defending a goddamn cabal of child raping pedophiles, and are doing their fucking best to establish a fascist state.
“oH bUt hE dOeSnT lIkE uNiVeRsaL hEaLtHcArE!!” yea fuck him, but to compare that failure to people actively protecting child rapists? Fuck offfffffffff.
They’re spoilers for actual socialist candidates. This is a dog and pony show.
I’ll admit I left the US a few years ago, so I may be a little out of the loop but… what fucking “actual socialist” candidates? Are there more than three yet?
No, we had one, last presidential election and Democrats sued and won to keep her off the swing state ballots.
One. My man, at the federal level there’s 435 members of the House and 100 members of the Senate. At the state level there’s 50 governors and 7,383 total legislative seats.
I don’t think you can blame Democrats for being spoilers to “actual socialists” when “actual socialists” aren’t on the damn menu.
According to Wikipedia there’s 102 DSA-aligned (who are Democratic-Socialists and not “actual socialists”) politicians at the federal and state level. Out of 7,968 seats. Barely over 1%.
So close and yet so far away.
“if the democratic party collapsed the population of the usa would all vote psl/acp”
haha
They also have identical foreign policy. The genocide accelerated under Biden.
I stay in the Democratic party simply so I can vote these assholes out with voting for their progressive challengers while donating and volunteering for them.
This is the way. It’s regrettable, but the only viable path forward short of outright revolution. Voting anything other than dem (or being a total fuckwit and not voting) effectively cements our fall to complete fascism.
But to your point. Progressives (such as they are here in the states) are the only hope to claw our way out of the hole neo-cons/neo-libs have thrown us into.
Didn’t get me wrong, I’m a hair’s breadth away from not voting for these Republican in Democrats veneer jackasses either.
A slow slide toward fascism is still sliding toward fascism and these worthless assholes are doing just that. I mean for fucks sake, there’s Katie Hobbs running with a Republican right now.
Jefferies has a leadership position because it was held two weeks before the DNC chair.
If someone like Jamie Harrison (Feb 2021-Feb 2025 chair named by Biden) became chair, then not voting Jefferies/Schumer would have caused the biased DNC to withhold the stolen funds from the Victory Fund…
That’s why they’re “leadership”.
However the voting members of the DNC got to vote because we didn’t have an incoming dem president. So…
When they picked Martin, and he dumped all that money on state parties with zero strings, Schumer and Jefferies lost all their political power.
Jefferies and Schumer’s only shot at returning neoliberals to the DNC, is if a progressive Dem doesn’t become president in 2029. That’s why they want you to leave the party, even if a Republican wins after Trump because of it.
If a progressive becomes president in 2029, they name the DNC chair, and that’s game over for neoliberalism.
For the love of anything you care about, stop telling people the time to give up is right before we win.
I’ll admit that I don’t understand the inner workings of the Democratic Party, but I want to say: It’s not that neoliberals control the money because they run/ran the DNC, but that the DNC had money because it was controlled by neoliberals. This money ultimately comes from donors, who give it to neoliberals no matter what post those neoliberals currently hold. To a first approximation, the more progressive the party is, the less money it gets, with the difference going to neoliberals directly. The point being: The neoliberals’ political comes from their rich backers (and the media connections of those rich backers), not from their party posts, so while their power would be diminished by losing control of the party they’d be far from done for.
The bribes would stop rolling in if they were no longer getting them anything
You underestimate the dedication of the rich to fucking over everyone else. They’d just rethink their strategy and try again. Not to say it’s hopeless, but that the givesomefucks is being too optimistic about the fate of neoliberalism. Even if progressives become dominant in the blue side of Congress, there’s still value (if you’re evil and actively trying to impoverish people) in maintaining spoilers to deny them a majority.
No.
When Obama won in 08, he abandoned the DNC.
It operated in a zombie state for 8 years ran by neoliberals into bankruptcy.
When 2016 happened the DNC had zero money and only the chair knew it.
The chair and Hillary’s primary campaign made an agreement with the DNC chair (no one else knew) that Hillary would fund the DNC. That came with the strings that Hillary’s primary campaign controlled what the DNC said and did.
And that is what started the “victory fund” that stole money from state parties, and was handed to Biden, to Kamala, and Finally to the current DNC, who has given it all back to state parties with no strings already.
I highly recommend you read up on “the victory fund”. Start with Donna Brazille’s article because she was the first to blow the whistle. Literally “follow the money” and see that it’s gone.
None of this is hypothetical, and Ken Martin didn’t appear out of thin air, he had a decade long track record running a state party.
This requires zero faith in anyone, just like maybe an hour of looking up what’s happened in the last decade of political history with the DNC, it is highly documented and takes the same level of effort as a jr high book report.
There’s none cause not to put that level of effort in, and I’ll most likely even edit in some links to start out with. But again, don’t just take my word, look around yourself, all this verifiably happened.
Links:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kylemullins/2024/08/29/heres-every-billionaire-whos-given-1-million-or-more-to-help-kamala-harris-get-elected/
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2026/04/10/george-conway-tearfully-admits-he-stupidly-gave-his-kids-inheritance-to-biden-victory-fund-1631973/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donors-can-now-give-620600-to-biden-and-dnc-expanding-democratic-big-money-fundraising/2020/05/16/d2bf51cc-978a-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html